Bear with me this evening on some random Monday musings, shall we?
Um, my sister Jen’s baby shower is in SIX DAYS (next Sunday). For about 50 people. At a cute hall by the ocean. Ack. No pressure or anything π
In all seriousness, I don’t feel uber stressed about it, in part because I’ve got my auntie throwdown partners in crime (my sister Jess and Jen’s sister-in-law Jackie) as well as my mom joining forces to make this a shower to remember. I mean, it is the very first niece for the three of us (I think for Jackie too?) and the first grandchild and great-grandchild in my family. It’s gotta be fabulous, right?
And us sisters…well, we know how to throw a party (Jen’s bridal shower, I must say, was the best, most non-traditional shower ever…in my backyard at my former house, poolside, in August, and it was fabulous! To this day, a day/night I will remember forever…and I hate bridal showers! Normally, that is, and definitely not those of my sister’s, of course!). So, I hope it goes well, and we don’t forget anything, like oh, tablecloths (almost did forget those when shopping tonight!), or, oh, the food (okay, seriously, if we forgot to pick up the food, we may have major issues, but I digress…).
Stay tuned for pics and an update next weekend, fo sho!
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Have been having a riveting side conversation with Diary of a Divorced Guy on dating, and how much of dating is all about looks.
Sadly, I hate to say that I think in this day and age, with the amount of online dating and social networking sites running rampant, it’s hard for it *not* to be one of the first reactions you have when you view a profile, re-connect with an old friend/flame/college acquaintance etc.
Why?
Well, it’s just the first thing you see – a picture.
And especially with dating sites, where you click through pages and pages of people, it’s hard not to toss those aside that may not have the best smile or body or looks or hair or whatever floats your boat. Sometimes I think it would almost be better if dating sites didn’t lead with a picture, but with a profile, so you rule out those that don’t have the same things in common, or whose words may be offputting.
Whenever I am in online dating mode – I try to weigh them both together as much as possible. What they say, a little about how they lookΒ (I’d be lying if I said it didn’t matter at all) and a lot about whether initially, they fall into where I am in my life, and my must-have’s in a man (which of course, still changes quite often…but that’s relatively normal, right?). But I wonder how many people actually don’t put looks first, and just go for the hottest one they see first. How can any of us be successful at dating if everyone’s going for the ‘extreme’ end of the spectrum and not the happy medium? Maybe a rhetorical question for another day…
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This leads me to baggage.
And I’ve probably mentioned this before, but does the label “divorce” scream “baggage! baggage! get out! run! alert! alert!” when you’re dating? Either online or meeting someone at a bar or whereever? Does it matter more if a woman is divorced or a man? Is it worth bringing up on a first date? Prior to? Or a wait-and-see approach?
For me, I’ve always been super open about it because my thing is…if they’re going to run at the first mention of the big ‘D,’ then they clearly aren’t right for me, or me for them (if they’re going to make a snap judgement either!). But I do think there is something to be said for double standards…I tend to get the impression from my past dating experiences that being a woman divorced is more of a “red flag” than for a man. Maybe it’s just me and I’m overreacting, but curious what your viewpoints are on that, if you two are divorced and dating? Thoughts?
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See – lots swirling in the brain tonight…nothing to truly lose sleep over, per se, but just some things I’ve been pondering (and in the case of Jen’s shower, am just super excited about!)…and it’s Monday, that’s about all I got in my brain right now. Perhaps a sign of a hectic week to come. Hrhmm.
August 9, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Oh I wish I could be there at the shower – I know it’s going to be awesome! You better take lots of pictures! I (of course) did my sister’s showers went so far as to make the cakes and all of the food…by myself. Um, crazy much???
August 9, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Damn, that IS crazy π And yes, lots of pics!!
August 9, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Hmm…I can’t say much personally on the divorce stuff, but it wouldn’t surprise me, considering the many other double standards that exist involving men and women. But you’re right, if you meet someone who isn’t accepting of that part of your life, then he definitely isn’t right for you.
August 9, 2010 at 7:43 pm
exactly. And I am not sure how right I am on the baggage thing for women being divorced vs. men. Just an unproven inkling so far π
August 9, 2010 at 7:51 pm
See ladies, I am not just a pretty face. I have a brain. Love me for my brain dammit, and not the one in my shorts….
Ok, and on a serious note, I live in a city, or more an area, where people are obsessed with looks/money/status/power. I am not the best looking guy in the world. I don’t have the body of a god (unless you count Buddha at the moment) but I am working on it. I work in a pressure cooker of a job.
But I like to think I am nice. I like to think I am successful. I like to think I am funny. I like to think I am charming. I like to think I have a lot to offer, and I am confident that I do.
If they could just look deeper than a picture…
As far as the whole divorce issue, it cuts both ways and I wrote about it before.
We’re divorced, not damaged. Having no children, that only means we have to show proof that we are divorced before we get a marriage license again.
If they can’t deal with that, fuck ’em.
August 9, 2010 at 8:09 pm
You forgot to add – take a number ladies! ;-P You’re right, the looking at the deeper picture is so hard for many, especially if there is a specific “image” in mind of that special someone. I’ve tried shaking that off, because honestly I have no idea what that ideal is right now, and so many don’t either, but just rely on looks, cuz it’s easy. And you’re right, eff em if they can’t deal. Damn straight!
August 9, 2010 at 8:00 pm
I just wrote about my most recent experience with online dating on the blog today and I mentioned the looks thing. Personally I dont need or even want the “best looking” man but there does need to be at least SOME attraction. I tend to be drawn in my a smile that appears genuine, like the guy is happy and knows how to have fun and then go from there. Do I discount people based on their appearance? Of course I do but if there is no substance or other compatibility I would not hang onto someone simply becuse they are attractive. From what I hear from guys though, this it not always the case with them.
In short, online dating SUCKS! π
August 9, 2010 at 8:09 pm
I agree with you completely! Of course looks matter in some regard, but not the one and only factor either. It is tough though, no matter what…and yes, dating sucks oftentimes, doesn’t it? Means to an end…off to read your blog!
August 9, 2010 at 9:34 pm
A brand new baby girl! How exciting. My niece is now 20 years old. And we were as excited as you guys are when we gave my sister her baby shower. If you forget the food, order out. Either way, it will be fantastic!
As far as disclosing every fact of your personal life on a first date…NO WAY! Certainly, on a first encounter, men are guarded as much as women. So what’s βgood for the goose is good for the ganderβ.
Nowβ¦the “baggage” thing. Really, what baggage do you carry? Perhaps take out the word, βmarriageβ. Instead, change the way you are thinking about it. You had a committed relationship that did not work out. Who of us has NOT had one of thoseβ¦within marriage or not?
We have been βCathleteβ buddies on Facebook for quite some time. During that time, I discovered your love of blogging. And incidentally, found your link to something called “Linkedin”. I am very, very impressed by your resume posted there. You are an extremely intelligent, well-spoken lovely young lady that any man would be proud to date. Always remember the “specialness” that is you! Smiles and sunshine, L.
August 10, 2010 at 7:31 am
thank you Lisa, I am so excited for my niece! And you are so right about removing the word “marriage” (or divorce) from the equation and it simplifies it so much more, doesn’t it? Great perspective. And thank you for your kind words, you are so sweet…want to be my wingwoman and find me that man?! ;-P
August 10, 2010 at 5:50 am
The first baby?? Oh my, how much fun is this for all of you! I’m sure the whole party will be amazing and go without a hitch.
As for the dating- you are completely right. Looks has way to much to do with it. The first time I saw Army Boys FB picture I said hell no. Who knew the kid looked nothing like that, thank god. Does divorce scream baggage? If it was the other way around and we were looking at the divorce at someone else and not us I’m sure we would have a different opinion. It is hard for some people to get over. There isn’t damage there though. The right person won’t mind though.
August 10, 2010 at 7:32 am
Yes! I can’t believe I didn’t tell you that Shan! I am soooo excited. And yes, you are right, pics don’t really depict people very well anyway, and it’s always better to free your mind of an “image” as hard as that sounds! And I agree it isn’t damage and the right one will know that…where he is, time will tell π
August 10, 2010 at 6:27 am
Enjoy your baby shower by the ocean. Can’t wait to see pics.
And don’t sweat being divorced. It shows that you believe in commitment, unlike some who have never married. It shows that you aren’t afraid of forever.
Some day the right man will come along and cherish the incredible woman you are.
August 10, 2010 at 7:33 am
Thank you so much Nicki, you’re so sweet, as always. And you are right, divorce does show I believe in commitment, in a weird way, doesn’t it? The right one won’t care, I just hate labels and feel like it’s too easy to make a snap judgment!
August 10, 2010 at 8:38 am
Jolene, I think you will soon find what you are looking for. No doubt in my mind that “you won’t be on the shelf very long”. L.
August 10, 2010 at 9:13 am
I think a lot of people, especially men put looks first. When I was on match.com, men would message me with completely different political and religious beliefs than mine even when I had specified that I wanted someone fairly similar for a relationship. More often than not it seemed they hadn’t even read my profile.
I used to get turned off when I heard divorced. But I finally realized that we’re not 16 anymore. People our age have been in relationships before. I’ve been engaged before. I don’t usually (or ever with Man Friend) bring it up at the beginning. But with HS Marine and The Ex, they both knew about The Exx prior to dating. I don’t know, I think it’s one of those things that you’re not wrong if you bring it up immediately or if you wait a few dates until you’re sure they’re interested.
August 10, 2010 at 9:26 am
good insight, and I agree, men do tend to just respond based on looks over other things in many cases. And I agree, we aren’t 16 anymore, so the divorce thing shouldn’t matter as much on first blush, but I guess it’s a natural reaction, too.
August 10, 2010 at 10:46 am
You are too funny. I look at the photos with an open mind, but I also couldn’t date someone who repulsed me… physical attraction does play a part.
I’ve been thinking about my experiences talking to divorced men online, and I hate to say it but I guess it does impact my decision to go out with them. When I see “divorced” on a person’s profile, I tend to wonder why they were such a douchebag that their wife left them. Which, I’m aware is completely unfair to think as there are many reasons for divorce… but I suppose it’s the traditional side of me kicking in, I’ve never really believed in divorce as an option for circumstances other than abuse and adultery so I want to be with someone who feels the same way.
That’s a very naive way of thinking, isn’t it?
August 10, 2010 at 11:29 am
I wouldn’t say it is naive, but as you say, it’s perhaps your own upbringing and traditional side of you…but a great example of how others probably DO jump to conclusions like that when they see the label. But again, if someone does that to me and passes me by, then clearly they aren’t right for me, right?
August 10, 2010 at 2:41 pm
I’m not gonna lie–I definitely had some specifics of what my “future husband” would be, and “divorced” was a dealbreaker. HOWEVER–BB turned out to have another of my so-called dealbreakers and I realized it really didn’t matter that much.
SOOO–maybe it may raise an eyebrow, but if a guy is really into you, I don’t think they’ll care as much.
IN FACT–I think it’s easier for a woman than a man because I know us women are a lot pickier, whereas guys would probably just not care as much about the whole divorce thing…
but i wouldn’t really know. this is just my opinion. I think you’re fabulous though : P
August 10, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Aw thank you Erika – pass the word around on my fabulousness, okay? π but I like your perspective on the divorce thing since it was a dealbreaker for you but then wasn’t and didn’t matter so much. that’s comforting π
August 14, 2010 at 3:27 pm
I’ve heard single/divorced men who are out in the dating world say that what’s a deal breaker or concern for them isn’t a previous marriage, but children. Women bear the brunt, if not all (depending on whether the father is in the picture), of child rearing responsibilities, which impacts a single mother’s ability to date or devote as much time to a new partner.
We’re all our own worst critics so please don’t go on viewing your divorce as baggage. You’ve processed your feelings (from what I can glean) and are ready to be in a relationship with the right person. If that’s baggage, then it’s a Hermes Birkin ;). xoxo
August 14, 2010 at 4:59 pm
you’re right, that is a a much bigger issue for many to get past, and a dealbreaker for many. I actually try to keep an open mind to men that do have kids, but I know it’s not for everyone, for sure. And thank you – my divorce isn’t baggage at all, you’re right, especially for the right person! But I’d love a Hermes bag!!